The PES Casual wrote:So just to be clear Matt, you think there is no player individuality at all bar fatigue?
Can you kindly explain to me why then there are threads in other fairly active communities that are dedicated to white/bronze gems? Maybe explain why certain players like M. Acuna, Fosu-Mensah, Umpamecano, Alan, Abdulrahman, Andre Almeida, Renato Sanches, Joao Carvalho among many others have a near-cult status on account of their ability or their development? Why there are players who play white-ball or bronze ball exclusively? Silver *insert position here* threads? Talk of getting a "feel" for certain players? Scouts for Roger Martinez' Chinese club before recently moving to Villareal being a wee bit pricey considering?
How about offline myClub players. There are a good few out there of those too. Dudes who just like cloud matches with their squad against other users fantasy football squads and venture online rarely. What about them? Are you saying they are just managing fatigue and nothing else? Are you saying they are all anti-sim maniacs?
All this is driven by no more than fatigue?
Remove all these 40 OVR players of yours to their bare bones. Rid them all of their skills, playing styles and take all their weights down by 10kg minimum across the board. Stick your 40 overall players with lowest possible form against Super Star level AI form on the highest setting, and with all the players abilities and skills intact.
Take Roger Martinez, and have him lose 15kg and take all his other attributes away from him. I guarantee you he would not be the same player as the default in control and ability and would feel a hell of a lot more clumsy to boot than his default.
pesmunki - there was no need for that. Come on. We can disagree and debate respectfully and if you have to be dismissive try do so using your own experience. I disagree massively with Matt here, but he wants the same thing as you or I do at the end of the day. There is a clash on how to go about doing that is all. No need for the aggression.
Yes, Alan, I am. Have you tried to play with a team at all 40's, then play with them all at 99's? I have. Fatigue is the biggest contributor.
I'm not saying the concept of OVR and ratings to an off-the-pitch mentality isn't valued. It's flawed. Those numbers are just an addition problem. It's off-the-pitch MyClub that makes no difference.
You also know I'm talking strictly offline. I don't think it's an apples:apples comparison for MyClub against other human beings. The power of super-cancel among users is one that skews the determination.
I stick to my lane, Alan. I've spent all my time in offline. MyClub/online doesn't interest me. I can say I beat a guy who was using PSG, and I used Independiente. I don't make any determinations here other than the guy didn't finish his chances and I did, and played better. That helps noone.
There's no trigger to PES right now. It's got layers and layers of uncessary fluff, and at the very bottom of that is player abilities. From there, the player abilities really don't mean much difference. By scale if you take a 40 passer vs a 99 passer, what is the animation that should appear? How should that ball feel coming off the 40 player's foot? Why are they able to kick at the same velocity, accuracy and consistency as the 99? What about shooting? Crossing? Speed? Defending? Ball winning?
I'm not being stubborn, and I'm not being close-minded. I'm being frustrated by the blind defending of what has already been proven to be false. False of logic and false of any form of realism. The decision making in this game is flawed.
Again though, I'm responding to you out of respect, Alan. I've already seen this firsthand, and other guys have done the same with me. I know I'm not crazy and neither are they. The intent is always to improve the game, but I'm just so tired of having to do the work to find out it means nothing at the end of the day. Just so tired.